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		<title>By: Sean Kinsell</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3329</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Kinsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re changing the subject, Zak.  You can&#039;t take my answer to your previous question--which was specifically about McCain vs. Obama and, by extension, about everyone on both tickets--as my position on the parties as a whole.  &quot;McCain is not as elitist as Obama&quot; is not the same as &quot;Republicans are not as elite [there&#039;s that weasel word again] as Democrats.&quot;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If that&#039;s what you want to talk about, I&#039;ll be happy to join you in despairing over the in-practice position of both parties that it&#039;s bad to curtail individual liberties with federal power...right up to the point that that makes one of their pet projects impracticable.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I&#039;m not sure I agree with you on the specifics, though.  You could argue that the War on Drugs is more a Republican creation, yes, though it would be dishonest not to acknowledge that the Dems were eager converts.  And (you didn&#039;t mention this) the GOP likes to get ridiculously exercised over Internet gambling.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I think abortion and SSM are harder to use to score points.  There are plenty of people who genuinely believe that abortion is murder.  I disagree with that position, but it does take the issue out of the framework of mere butting into people&#039;s private lives.  I wore myself out on this blog over the gay marriage issue years ago, so I&#039;m not going to recapitulate my usual conniption fit in its entirety.  Suffice it to say, one of the reasons same-sex partnerships have become so divisive is that the loudest gay advocates started in with the &quot;If you don&#039;t call it &#039;marriage&#039; just like straight people&#039;s, I&#039;ll hold my breath until I turn blue&quot; routine.  Hard-line social cons would never have been happy with civil unions, either.  I have no illusions about that.  But a lot of live-and-let-live types believe that the marriage contract serves a function in heterosexual unions that doesn&#039;t apply to homosexual unions.  I have no doubt that some of them are looking for ways to intellectualize their anti-gay biases; but the rest of them have made thoughtful arguments that haven&#039;t been answered, even to my satisfaction.  And I&#039;m gay.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I don&#039;t subscribe to the flat view that, in practice, the GOP works nobly for liberty and the Dems work ignobly for big government.  What I do believe is that the Republicans come up on the classical liberal side far more frequently than the Democrats, and that when the GOP does contribute to government hypertrophy, its members at least exhibit a proper sense of shame that some of them may even mean sincerely.  That at least provides some small space to start exerting pressure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re changing the subject, Zak.  You can&#8217;t take my answer to your previous question&#8211;which was specifically about McCain vs. Obama and, by extension, about everyone on both tickets&#8211;as my position on the parties as a whole.  &#8220;McCain is not as elitist as Obama&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;Republicans are not as elite [there's that weasel word again] as Democrats.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what you want to talk about, I&#8217;ll be happy to join you in despairing over the in-practice position of both parties that it&#8217;s bad to curtail individual liberties with federal power&#8230;right up to the point that that makes one of their pet projects impracticable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with you on the specifics, though.  You could argue that the War on Drugs is more a Republican creation, yes, though it would be dishonest not to acknowledge that the Dems were eager converts.  And (you didn&#8217;t mention this) the GOP likes to get ridiculously exercised over Internet gambling.</p>
<p>I think abortion and SSM are harder to use to score points.  There are plenty of people who genuinely believe that abortion is murder.  I disagree with that position, but it does take the issue out of the framework of mere butting into people&#8217;s private lives.  I wore myself out on this blog over the gay marriage issue years ago, so I&#8217;m not going to recapitulate my usual conniption fit in its entirety.  Suffice it to say, one of the reasons same-sex partnerships have become so divisive is that the loudest gay advocates started in with the &#8220;If you don&#8217;t call it &#8216;marriage&#8217; just like straight people&#8217;s, I&#8217;ll hold my breath until I turn blue&#8221; routine.  Hard-line social cons would never have been happy with civil unions, either.  I have no illusions about that.  But a lot of live-and-let-live types believe that the marriage contract serves a function in heterosexual unions that doesn&#8217;t apply to homosexual unions.  I have no doubt that some of them are looking for ways to intellectualize their anti-gay biases; but the rest of them have made thoughtful arguments that haven&#8217;t been answered, even to my satisfaction.  And I&#8217;m gay.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t subscribe to the flat view that, in practice, the GOP works nobly for liberty and the Dems work ignobly for big government.  What I do believe is that the Republicans come up on the classical liberal side far more frequently than the Democrats, and that when the GOP does contribute to government hypertrophy, its members at least exhibit a proper sense of shame that some of them may even mean sincerely.  That at least provides some small space to start exerting pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3328</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear, Zak!  Me and all the others that had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills agree, agree!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear, Zak!  Me and all the others that had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills agree, agree!</p>
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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3327</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh...I see now how you are using elite. Unfortunately, I think you have it wrong. You think that Democrats are more likely to try to tell others how to live than Republicans, whereas I think the reverse is true. The fact is, this is all about conservative versus progressive cultural norms. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Sure Obama wants to tell the country to give healthcare to everybody, but the fact is that the consensus in America is rapidly becoming one much more favorable to universal healthcare. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;And, when it comes to 1) the right to put proven non-toxic, non-addicting drugs into my body, 2) have an abortion in the first trimester, 3) form legally binding civil unions between same-sex parterns, Republicans are perfectly willing to tell other people what to do and what not to do. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;So, it isn&#039;t a question of who wants to boss other people around. Red staters want blue staters to assume their values, and the reverse is true as well. It&#039;s just a question of whom you happen to agree with.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh&#8230;I see now how you are using elite. Unfortunately, I think you have it wrong. You think that Democrats are more likely to try to tell others how to live than Republicans, whereas I think the reverse is true. The fact is, this is all about conservative versus progressive cultural norms. </p>
<p>Sure Obama wants to tell the country to give healthcare to everybody, but the fact is that the consensus in America is rapidly becoming one much more favorable to universal healthcare. </p>
<p>And, when it comes to 1) the right to put proven non-toxic, non-addicting drugs into my body, 2) have an abortion in the first trimester, 3) form legally binding civil unions between same-sex parterns, Republicans are perfectly willing to tell other people what to do and what not to do. </p>
<p>So, it isn&#8217;t a question of who wants to boss other people around. Red staters want blue staters to assume their values, and the reverse is true as well. It&#8217;s just a question of whom you happen to agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Kinsell</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Kinsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, Phoebe Snow, who wrote and recorded &quot;Two-Fisted Love,&quot; is an artist you might like, actually.  She had two hit albums (well, more like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Phoebe-Snow/dp/B000002TVF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;-and-a-&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Second-Childhood-Phoebe-Snow/dp/B0012GN2HE/ref=pd_sim_m_7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;half&lt;/a&gt; hit albums) when we were little, and then she diverted her energies into caring for her autistic daughter, and her handlers didn&#039;t know where to take her career from there.  She started singing jingles for commercials, and she&#039;s only recorded sporadically since the &#039;70s.  It&#039;s a shame, because her voice is absolutely amazing--huge range--and she always sounds like a person, not a performer, singing to you.  Worth checking out if you&#039;re so inclined.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, Phoebe Snow, who wrote and recorded &#8220;Two-Fisted Love,&#8221; is an artist you might like, actually.  She had two hit albums (well, more like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Phoebe-Snow/dp/B000002TVF" rel="nofollow">one</a>-and-a-<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Second-Childhood-Phoebe-Snow/dp/B0012GN2HE/ref=pd_sim_m_7" rel="nofollow">half</a> hit albums) when we were little, and then she diverted her energies into caring for her autistic daughter, and her handlers didn&#8217;t know where to take her career from there.  She started singing jingles for commercials, and she&#8217;s only recorded sporadically since the &#8217;70s.  It&#8217;s a shame, because her voice is absolutely amazing&#8211;huge range&#8211;and she always sounds like a person, not a performer, singing to you.  Worth checking out if you&#8217;re so inclined.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3325</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That semi-colon, dash, and letter P were supposed to stay together...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That semi-colon, dash, and letter P were supposed to stay together&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://whiteperil.com/2008/09/30/he-knows-how-to-give-me-two-fisted-love/comment-page-1/#comment-3324</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the title of this posting.  That&#039;s it.  That&#039;s all I wanted to say.  ;-P
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the title of this posting.  That&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s all I wanted to say.  ;-P</p>
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